AX-Qwen3.8-2.4T-A95B-MLX-AXQ-2bit-MTP

Experimental AXQ 2-bit MLX pack of Qwen/Qwen3.8-2.4T-A95B-FP8.

Not certified. Will not be certified in this revision. Layer-stack SSD expert paging is too slow for practical serving, so this pack is a hobby / curiosity artifact: a 2.4T-class Qwen MoE that can exist on a Mac only because experts are paged from disk. If that sounds fun, enjoy. If you need something you can actually work with, use a smaller certified AXQ pack (Qwen 3.6, Flash, Coder-Next, GPT-OSS). No AXQ 4-bit sibling will be published for this base.

This card is convert evidence, not a quality or speed claim. Quality vs BF16 / FP8 was not measured.

This is an AXQuant pack (qwen38-moe-v1), not mlx-optiq. Do not load the OptiQ Qwen 3.8 repos in AX Engine.

Full convert notes: docs/qwen38-axq-2bit.md.

Why it is slow

The full table is ~1.13 TiB. No shipping Mac can resident-load it (512 GB unified memory is still too small). AX Engine pages one fused expert layer at a time (ax_expert_stream.json, required=true). Every token waits on SSD I/O for routed experts. That is why this revision is not a product path.

Estimated streamed peak: ~56 GiB resident trunk + ~12 GiB one layer + KV (about 100 GiB with headroom). You still need AX_ENGINE_2BIT_EXPERIMENTAL=1.

Do not mlx_lm.load this pack as a fully resident model.

Recipe

Affine, group size 32 (qwen38-experimental-2bit-v0.1.yaml):

Role Bits
Expert, attention, shared MLP 2
Embedding, router (mlp.gate) 8
Norms, LM head 16 (BF16)
MTP 16, byte-preserved into mtp.safetensors

Source: official FP8 revision d2dc35658bcf77e66643428cb52e774cc3b5bd29 (128×128 weight_scale_inv, unfused per-expert tensors). Convert uses the AXQuant stream backend because mlx_lm.load cannot ingest that snapshot.

Measured artifact

From axquant_manifest.json after weight verification (2026-08-13):

Quantity Value
Plan effective BPW 3.157
Measured total BPW 4.074
Measured main BPW 4.030
Logical parameters 2,446,182,725,504
Weight files 1,245,853,341,088 bytes (1.13 TiB)
MTP sidecar 26,989,794,744 bytes
Hub budget class 2bit (leaf). Recipe class remains 2bit-experimental.
Product class 2bit-experimental

Stream contract: 512 experts, 10 per token, 828 streamed tensors, layer-stack mode. Converted model_type is qwen3_5_moe (92 hybrid-attention layers, hidden 8192, MoE intermediate 2048, one MTP layer).

Status

Item Status
Convert + ax_expert_stream.json Done on df-macstudio-m2
Hub weights Uploaded
Quality vs BF16 / FP8 Not measured
AX Engine cert Will not certify this revision (too slow to be practical)
MTP present True (native mtp.safetensors sidecar, ~27 GiB)
MTP acceleration Not claimed

Hobby use only. Not a supported product pack.

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